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ERDőS #111 · PARTIAL

Erdős problem #111 — finite-density reduction and a sharp obstruction for the EHS shift witness

Date: 2026-07-26 (UTC)

This report does not solve problem #111. It gives:

1. an elementary equivalence that removes a potentially troublesome

uniformity-in-\(n\) step;

2. an elementary proof that the \(n^{3/2}\) exponent in the first

Erdős--Hajnal--Szemerédi ordered-shift witness is sharp;

3. an exact, reproducible finite computation that improves the constant in

that lower bound.

Claim labels used below are exactly:

0. Mandatory live-page gate

I fetched the live page through the

Bright Data browser on 2026-07-26. It displayed:

Thus the stop condition did not trigger.

The verbatim displayed statement was:

> If \(G\) is a graph let \(h_G(n)\) be defined such that any subgraph of

> \(G\) on \(n\) vertices can be made bipartite after deleting at most

> \(h_G(n)\) edges.

>

> What is the behaviour of \(h_G(n)\)? Is it true that

> \(h_G(n)/n\to\infty\) for every graph \(G\) with chromatic number

> \(\aleph_1\)?

The page's listed background was:

contains \(\aleph_1\) vertex-disjoint odd cycles of length \(2r+1\);

\(h_G(n)\ll n^{3/2}\);

to \(\ll n^{1+\epsilon}\) for every \(\epsilon>0\);

I treat those live-page statements, and not the stale tracker tags, as the

ground truth for the problem.

1. Source and literature audit

The primary paper is:

On almost bipartite large chromatic graphs,

Annals of Discrete Mathematics 12 (1982), 117--123,

DOI 10.1016/S0304-0208(08)73497-273497-2).

I checked the full paper, not just its abstract. Definition 3.1 defines the

edge-deletion parameter. Theorem 3(a), reduced to Theorem 3.A, proves

\[ h_{W_0(\omega,2)}(n)<2n^{3/2}. \tag{1} \]

Here \(W_0(\alpha,2)\) is the ordered 2-shift graph: its vertices are ordered

pairs \(x

Every finite subgraph of \(W_0(\alpha,2)\), for infinite \(\alpha\), order-embeds

in \(W_0(\omega,2)\), and conversely. Thus all infinite versions have the

same finite defect profile. (a)

The cited 1981 source is:

On the combinatorial problems which I would most like to see solved,

Combinatorica 1 (1981), 25--42,

DOI 10.1007/BF02579174.

On pages 15--16, Erdős states the weaker-looking formulation: for every

constant \(c\), a graph of chromatic number at least \(\aleph_1\) should have

a finite subgraph that cannot be made bipartite by deleting \(cm\) edges,

where \(m\) is its number of vertices. He then records the hoped-for

\(m^{1+\epsilon}\) construction. Section 2 below proves that the first

formulation is actually equivalent to the live page's full limit statement;

the missing uniformity step is recoverable.

I also checked the citation trail concerned with finite subgraphs of

uncountably chromatic graphs:

Finite subgraphs of uncountably chromatic graphs,

J. Graph Theory 49 (2005), 28--38,

DOI 10.1002/jgt.20060;

On the growth rate of chromatic numbers of finite subgraphs,

Adv. Math. 369 (2020), 107176,

DOI 10.1016/j.aim.2020.107176.

Those papers concern how slowly the chromatic numbers of finite

subgraphs may grow. They do not give the required edge-bipartization

density. The elementary inequality

\[ \beta(F)\geq \chi(F)-2 \tag{2} \]

is only one-way: if \(d=\beta(F)\) edges make \(F\) bipartite, choosing one

endpoint of each deleted edge leaves a bipartite graph after at most \(d\)

vertices are removed, so \(\chi(F)\le d+2\). (a) Without control of

\(|V(F)|\) in terms of \(\chi(F)\), (2) gives no lower bound on

\(\beta(F)/|V(F)|\).

Exact-title, citation, and keyword searches for the EHS paper and for

uncountable-chromatic edge bipartization found no later primary source

claiming a proof or counterexample to #111, nor an improvement of the two

live-page bounds. This is a search miss, not a claim that no such paper

exists.

2. A finite-density equivalence that recovers uniformity

For a finite graph \(F\), write

\[ \beta(F):=\min\{|D|:D\subseteq E(F),\ F-D\text{ is bipartite}\} =|E(F)|-\operatorname{MaxCut}(F). \]

The equality holds because the edges retained by any bipartite spanning

subgraph cross one of its bipartitions, and every cut itself is bipartite.

(a)

Consider the following two universal assertions.

1. For every \(G\) with \(\chi(G)=\aleph_1\),

\(h_G(n)/n\to\infty\).

2. For every \(C>0\) and every \(G\) with \(\chi(G)=\aleph_1\), there is a

finite \(F\subseteq G\) such that

\[ \beta(F)>C|V(F)|. \tag{3} \]

Proposition

Assertions 1 and 2 are equivalent. (a)

Proof

Assertion 1 immediately implies assertion 2: for a sufficiently large \(n\),

the definition of \(h_G(n)\) supplies an \(n\)-vertex subgraph with defect

greater than \(Cn\).

Conversely, assume assertion 2 and fix \(G\) with \(\chi(G)=\aleph_1\).

Fix a target \(L>0\). Recursively for every countable ordinal

\(\xi<\omega_1\), remove the vertices used earlier and apply assertion 2,

with \(C=2L\), to obtain a finite graph

\[ F_\xi\subseteq G-\bigcup_{\eta<\xi}V(F_\eta), \qquad \beta(F_\xi)>2L|V(F_\xi)|. \tag{4} \]

At stage \(\xi\), only countably many vertices have been removed. The

remainder still has chromatic number \(\aleph_1\): otherwise a countable

colouring of the remainder, together with separate colours for the removed

countable set, would countably colour \(G\).

There are only countably many isomorphism types of finite graphs. Therefore

one fixed graph \(F\), with \(v=|V(F)|\) and \(b=\beta(F)>2Lv\), occurs among

the pairwise vertex-disjoint \(F_\xi\)'s infinitely (indeed uncountably)

often. For any \(n\), take \(\lfloor n/v\rfloor\) copies and pad to \(n\)

vertices. If “subgraph” is interpreted non-induced, omit the padding and

cross edges; if it is interpreted induced, restricting any deletion

certificate to each copy gives the same lower bound. Hence

\[ \frac{h_G(n)}n \geq \frac{\lfloor n/v\rfloor b}{n} \longrightarrow \frac bv>2L. \]

Thus \(h_G(n)/n>L\) for every sufficiently large \(n\). Since \(L\) was

arbitrary, assertion 1 follows. \(\square\)

This proves that there is no additional “sparse witness sizes” gap: Erdős's

1981 finite-density conjecture already contains exactly the missing

mathematics. The recursion above is the uniformity/finiteness step that

must not be omitted.

The live page's linear lower bound is the first instance of the same

mechanism. Repeatedly remove an odd cycle; among the countably many possible

odd lengths, one length occurs uncountably often. Packing copies then gives

\(h_G(n)\gg n\).

3. The EHS ordered 2-shift has a sharp \(n^{3/2}\) profile

Let \(S_t\) be the finite shift graph with

\[ V(S_t)=\binom{[t]}2,\qquad E(S_t)= \left\{\{(i,j),(j,k)\}:0\le iIt has \(\binom t2\) vertices and \(\binom t3\) edges. A two-colouring of

its vertices is equivalently a red/blue colouring \(c(i,j)\) of the pairs.

The edges that must be deleted are precisely the triples \(i \[ c(i,j)=c(j,k). \tag{5} \]

3.1 Elementary \(C_5\) lower bound

The five vertices

\[ (0,1),(1,2),(2,3),(3,4),(1,3) \]

form an induced \(C_5\) in \(S_5\). Therefore every two-colouring of

\(V(S_5)\) has at least one bad edge.

Now fix any two-colouring of \(V(S_t)\). Every five-element ground subset

induces a copy of \(S_5\), so it contains a bad triple. Every fixed bad

triple belongs to exactly \(\binom{t-3}{2}\) five-subsets. Double counting

gives

\[ \beta(S_t)\binom{t-3}{2} \geq \binom t5, \]

and hence

\[ \boxed{\displaystyle \beta(S_t)\geq \frac1{10}\binom t3.} \tag{6} \]

This proof is elementary-rigorous. (a)

Let \(H=W_0(\alpha,2)\) for any infinite \(\alpha\). It contains \(S_t\)

on every \(t\)-element ground subset. Given a graph-vertex count \(n\), let

\(t\) be maximal with \(\binom t2\le n\), and pad as in Section 2. Since

\(t=\sqrt{2n}+O(1)\), (6) yields

\[ h_H(n)\geq \left(\frac{\sqrt2}{30}+o(1)\right)n^{3/2}. \tag{7} \]

Combining (7) with EHS Theorem 3.A, equation (1), gives

\[ \boxed{h_H(n)=\Theta(n^{3/2}).} \tag{8} \]

The lower bound is (a); the combined statement (8) is (b), modulo

EHS Theorem 3.A.

Consequently the ordered 2-shift used for the first EHS upper-bound witness

cannot yield \(O(n^{1+\epsilon})\) when \(\epsilon<1/2\). Any realization

of the hoped-for construction must alter the finite-subgraph class, rather

than merely sharpen the threshold estimate in the proof of EHS Theorem 3.A.

3.2 Exact computation through \(t=12\)

The standalone checker

erdos111_wave5i_verify.py

uses only the Python standard library.

The exact dynamic program is as follows. Process ground vertices

\(0,1,\ldots\). After processing \(0,\ldots,j-1\), let

\[ r_i=\#\{aWhen adding \(j\), making \((i,j)\) red creates \(r_i\) new bad triples,

while making it blue creates \(i-r_i\). If exactly \(r\) of the \(j\) new

pairs are red, the minimum incremental cost is therefore

\[ \frac{j(j-1)/2-\sum_{iFor future stages the only new datum is \(d_j=2r-j\). Thus the sorted

multiset of the \(d_i\)'s is a sufficient state, and trying every

\(0\le r\le j\) is exhaustive. Swapping red and blue negates all \(d_i\),

which provides a harmless symmetry reduction. This is an exact Bellman

recurrence, not a heuristic.

The run

python runs/erdos111_wave5i_verify.py

produced:

t  beta_DP  states  balanced_upper
 1        0        1               0
 2        0        1               0
 3        0        3               0
 4        0       11               0
 5        1       43               1
 6        2      180               2
 7        5      825               5
 8        8     3937               8
 9       14    19530              14
10       20    99372              20
11       30   519792              30
12       40  2767536              40
brute-force overlap verified through t=6
verified induced C5 in S_5
verified beta(S_12)=40 and 40/C(12,3)=2/11
elapsed_seconds=19.044
ALL CHECKS PASSED

The program independently:

  • literally enumerates every pair-colouring through \(t=6\);
  • checks that this agrees with the dynamic program;
  • checks the displayed \(C_5\);
  • checks an explicit balanced two-interval colouring;
  • verifies the double-counting identities below.

Thus

\[ \beta(S_t)= 0,0,0,0,1,2,5,8,14,20,30,40 \quad(1\le t\le12) \tag{10} \]

is (d), an exact computational result with an exhaustive checker.

In particular, every 12-element ground subset contains at least 40 bad

triples. Repeating the earlier double count, now over 12-subsets, gives

for all \(t\ge12\)

\[ \begin{aligned} \beta(S_t)\binom{t-3}{9} &\ge 40\binom t{12},\\ \boxed{\displaystyle \beta(S_t)} &\boxed{\displaystyle\ge \frac{40}{\binom{12}{3}}\binom t3 =\frac2{11}\binom t3.} \end{aligned} \tag{11} \]

Equation (11) is an elementary double-counting consequence of the

computational lemma (10), so the overall claim remains labelled (d).

It improves (7) to the computationally certified constant

\[ h_H(n)\ge \left(\frac{2\sqrt2}{33}+o(1)\right)n^{3/2}. \tag{12} \]

For \(t\le12\), the exact values equal

\[ \binom{\lfloor t/2\rfloor}{3} +\binom{\lceil t/2\rceil}{3}. \tag{13} \]

The matching colouring divides the ordered ground set into two consecutive

balanced intervals and colours a pair according to whether its endpoints

are in the same interval. A triple is bad exactly when it lies wholly

inside one interval. Formula (13) for all \(t\) is only (c); the present

computation must not be promoted to a theorem. Proving its lower bound for

all \(t\), or merely obtaining the limiting fraction \(1/4\), would improve

the constant in (12), but would not settle #111.

The state count grew from \(519{,}792\) at \(t=11\) to \(2{,}767{,}536\) at

\(t=12\). A standard-library \(t=13\) run is projected to require roughly

\(15\) million tuple states, several GB of Python dictionary memory, and

more than a few CPU-minutes. I did not run that heavier computation; it is

not needed for the exponent result.

4. Exact remaining wall

By Section 2, the live question is reduced without loss to:

> For every \(C>0\), must every graph \(G\) with

> \(\chi(G)=\aleph_1\) contain a finite \(F\) with

> \(\beta(F)>C|V(F)|\)?

This is precisely the finite-density lemma missing from the standard

machinery. Compactness supplies finite subgraphs of arbitrarily large

chromatic number, but (2) gives only \(\beta(F)\ge\chi(F)-2\) and no useful

control relative to \(|V(F)|\). The obligatory disjoint odd cycles give

only one fixed positive linear density. Conversely, the EHS ordered

2-shift has much larger \(n^{3/2}\) defect, but Section 3 proves that this is

an intrinsic feature of that witness and therefore cannot be tuned down to

near-linear defect.

So the work here closes two technical escape routes:

1. a proof of the finite-density lemma would already give the full limit;

no additional scale-uniformity theorem is needed;

2. simply optimizing the EHS \(W_0(\alpha,2)\) estimate cannot produce the

conjectured \(n^{1+\epsilon}\) construction.

It does not decide whether the finite-density lemma is true.

PARTIAL: The universal limit is equivalent to Erdős's finite-density formulation, and the EHS ordered 2-shift is proved to have sharp \(\Theta(n^{3/2})\) defect; exact DP gives \(\beta(S_{12})=40\).

This is the AI working report, labelled by outcome — not an independently verified claim unless marked PROVED. ← ledger