Erdős problem 454 — wave 5w
Accessed 2026-07-26 UTC. The labels used below are:
- (a) elementary-rigorous: proved here from definitions;
- (b) rigorous-modulo-named-theorem/source: depends on the cited theorem;
- (c) plausible/structural-unverified: heuristic only;
- (d) computational-only: an exact finite calculation, not an
asymptotic theorem.
0. Mandatory live-page gate
I fetched the live page and its discussion
thread through the configured Bright Data Chromium path. I did this before
any mathematical work. The live LaTeX endpoint gives the following statement
(verbatim words and mathematics; only display whitespace has been normalized):
> Let
> \[
> f(n) = \min_{i
> where \(p_k\) is the \(k\)th prime. Is it true that
> \[ > \limsup_n (f(n)-2p_n)=\infty? > \]
The cited original paper writes the range explicitly as \(0
that intended range throughout. Allowing \(i=0\) would put \(2p_n\) in the
minimum and contradict both the question and its listed known result.
(d: live-page observation) The gate was clear:
- status:
OPEN; - known result: “Pomerance [Po79] has proved the limsup is at least \(2\)”;
1 comment on this problem;0 claimed proofs for this problem;Interested in collaborating: None;Currently working on this problem: None;Likes this problem: Dogmachine;This problem looks difficult: TerenceTao;This problem looks tractable: None;The results on this problem could be formalisable: None;I am working on formalising the results on this problem: None;Formalised statement? Yes;- related OEIS sequences: A389676 and A389677;
- last edited 07 October 2025.
The sole comment, by Terence Tao on 11 August 2025, says that the expected
important indices are extreme points of the convex hull of
\(\{(n,p_n)\}\), but that this set should be so sparse that even the prime
tuples conjecture gives little information near those indices. The site
labels comments as unverified user content, so I treat this as (c) rather
than as a theorem.
There was therefore no claimed proof and no current worker, so I proceeded.
1. Primary-source literature audit
I checked the actual documents, not just search-result summaries.
1. Erdős–Graham, 1980. Page 90 of
[*Old and New Problems and Results in Combinatorial Number
Theory*](https://mathweb.ucsd.edu/~ronspubs/80_11_number_theory.pdf)
states this question and immediately says that Pomerance proved the
limsup is at least \(2\). I inspected the scan of page 90 directly.
(b)
2. Pomerance, 1979. Section 5 of
[“The Prime Number Graph,” Math. Comp. 33 (1979),
399–408](https://doi.org/10.1090/S0025-5718-1979-0514836-7)
defines
\[ A(n)=\min_{0
and conjectures that \(A(n)-2p_n\) is arbitrarily large. Theorem 2.1
and its corollary give infinitely many \(n\) with \(A(n)>2p_n\).
Pomerance also reports E. R. Canfield's search: for \(n\leq1000\), the
largest value was \(24\), at \(n=985\), with \(p_{985}=7759\).
The checker below independently recovers this row. **(b), with the
finite row independently (d)**
3. McNew, 2018. Section 5, equation (23), of
[“The Convex Hull of the Prime Number
Graph”](https://www.nathanmcnew.com/Convex.pdf),
DOI
uses exactly
\[
M_n=\min_{1\leq i It presents a histogram for \(n<1.6\times10^8\) and says that the data suggest \(M_n\) is arbitrarily large. It does not prove this. The same chapter proves results about convex-prime counts and gaps, and explicitly distinguishes convex primes from the much more numerous midpoint-convex primes \(M_n>0\). **(b) for what the paper proves; (c) for its unboundedness inference** 4. I verified that Tutaj's arXiv:1408.3609 exists and concerns convex-hull extreme primes, but it does not resolve the minimum \(M_n\). I also checked the full text of the recent preprint [Kominers–Mrazović–Pomerance–Solé, “Lines in the Prime Number Graph,” arXiv:2605.22752v3 (1 June 2026)](https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.22752). Its functions are the minimum number of lines covering the first \(n\) prime points and the maximum number on one line; it does not address \(M_n\). Exact-expression and title searches found no later primary source claiming a proof of problem 454. This is an honest search miss, not a proof that no such paper exists. The strongest directly relevant computation I found remains McNew's \(n<1.6\times10^8\) histogram, so the finite range below is not claimed as a new range record. Put For \(1\leq i Telescoping the two sides of \(p_n\) gives 1,999,000 times. Equivalently, if then Thus problem 454 asks whether the minimum vertical clearance over every symmetric chord can be arbitrarily large. A lower-convex-hull vertex only gives positivity of these clearances; it supplies no growing lower bound. This is why results counting or spacing convex primes do not by themselves settle the question. (a) In particular, An unbounded positive jump between two adjacent gaps is necessary, but (1) shows why it is far from sufficient: every longer paired partial sum must remain above the same level. (a) The standard prime-number-theorem error term removes all sufficiently long radii from the real difficulty. (b: rigorous modulo the standard Vinogradov–Korobov PNT error term) There is an absolute \(c>0\) such that, for every fixed real \(B\), all sufficiently large \(n\) satisfy Let \(F=\operatorname{li}^{-1}\) and put Inverting (logarithmic factors can be absorbed by reducing \(c_0\)) gives This is also the form used in McNew's equation (15). Implicit differentiation of \(\operatorname{li}(F(x))=x\) gives For \(i\leq n/2\), Taylor's formula in integral form and (6) therefore give The three errors from (5) are uniformly in this range, after reducing \(c_2\). Choose \(c If \(i\geq ne^{-c\Lambda(n)}\), the right side of (7) is at least which dominates the error in (5) and tends to infinity. This proves (4) for \(i\leq n/2\). For \(i\geq n/2\), convexity makes at least its value at \(i=n/2\), which is \(\gg n\); the error in (5) is \(o(n)\), uniformly after separating the finitely many possible small values of \(n-i\). This completes the proof. \(\square\) Consequently, problem 454 is equivalent to the following growing-window statement: for every fixed \(B\), there are arbitrarily large \(n\) for which The implication from (8) uses (4); the reverse implication is immediate. The constant may be reduced without changing the equivalence. (b) Under RH, the usual \(\pi(x)-\operatorname{li}(x)=O(x^{1/2}\log x)\) instead gives The same calculation makes the tail automatic for with a sufficiently large constant \(C\). Even RH therefore leaves a window whose length grows like \(n^{3/4+o(1)}\). (b) For a prefix, let (a) Inductively, one radius with \(S_n(i)\leq H_{n-1}\) proves that \(n\) is not a new record. If no such radius exists, every \(1\leq i checked, so the stored minimum is exact and is a strict new record. A certificate therefore consists of one radius for every non-record index and a complete radius scan for every record index. The complete standard-library checker is erdos454_wave5w_reverify.py. It performs the search and then audits the resulting certificate in a separate pass. Its prime data are also independently regenerated with a structurally different segmented sieve and compared by a digest; the first 2,000 primes are checked again by trial division. Run: The complete strict prefix-record table is: | \(n\) | \(p_n\) | \(M_n\) | first minimizing \(i\) | |---:|---:|---:|---:| | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | | 4 | 7 | 2 | 1 | | 21 | 73 | 4 | 1 | | 30 | 113 | 10 | 1 | | 189 | 1,129 | 12 | 2 | | 217 | 1,327 | 18 | 40 | | 985 | 7,759 | 24 | 20 | | 1,847 | 15,823 | 26 | 10 | | 4,612 | 44,293 | 32 | 115 | | 9,834 | 102,701 | 38 | 1 | | 14,357 | 155,921 | 58 | 1 | | 63,536 | 794,249 | 68 | 1 | | 189,689 | 2,597,117 | 70 | 1 | | 266,856 | 3,751,919 | 72 | 3 | | 298,595 | 4,234,537 | 78 | 1 | | 316,504 | 4,508,341 | 82 | 1 | | 381,415 | 5,509,453 | 88 | 2 | | 733,588 | 11,113,933 | 90 | 6 | | 765,401 | 11,630,503 | 118 | 1 | | 2,886,673 | 47,973,257 | 148 | 1 | Thus the exact finite conclusion is first attained at \(n=2,886,673\). (d) At that index the local triple is The adjacent gaps are \(16\) and \(164\), so \(S_n(1)=148\); the full record scan proves \(S_n(i)\geq148\) for every \(1\leq i This is an explicit high finite example, not evidence sufficient for a limsup theorem. (d) The successful full run reported: The final run used 64.370 seconds wall time on this VM. All arithmetic is exact integer arithmetic. The unresolved lemma is now explicit: prove, for every \(B\), the existence of arbitrarily large centers \(n\) for which all paired-gap partial sums in the growing window (8) exceed \(B\). Known large-gap theorems concern one \(g_n\); bounded-gap or prime-tuples results control fixed finite patterns. Neither controls the same center through the \(n^{1-o(1)}\) unconditional window in (8), or even the \(n^{3/4+o(1)}\) RH window in (9). This is the exact uniformity gap in the standard machinery, rather than merely “primes are irregular.” **(a) for the logical requirement; (c) as a diagnosis of available methods** Extending the finite audit to McNew's \(1.6\times10^8\) index range would require the first roughly \(3.2\times10^8\) primes, ending near \(7\times10^9\). A direct 64-bit prime array alone is about 2.56 GB. An optimized segmented C++ implementation would plausibly cost on the order of \(0.1\)–\(1\) core-hour plus several GB of memory, depending on compression and certificate handling. I did not run that here, both because of the few-CPU-minute limit and because McNew has already computed a larger distributional range. Such a run could improve the exact record table, but no finite extension can prove the required limsup. PARTIAL: Reduced the conjecture to a precise growing paired-gap window and certified every prefix record through \(n=10,000,000\), with maximum \(148\) first at \(n=2,886,673\); unboundedness remains open at the stated uniform-window lemma.2. Exact paired-gap formulation
3. A PNT-error tail reduction
Proposition
4. Exact prefix-record certificate through \(10^7\)
for n in range(2, N + 1):
for i in range(1, n):
value = p[n+i] + p[n-i] - 2*p[n]
if value <= H:
save i as a non-record witness
break
else:
# Every radius was scanned.
M_n = the minimum value seen
append (n, p_n, M_n, first_argmin) to the record table
H = M_n
python runs/erdos454_wave5w_reverify.py
FROM-SCRATCH VERIFICATION PASSED
index range: 2 <= n <= 10,000,000
prime sequence: first 19,999,999 primes, last = 373,587,839
prime SHA-256 (u64le):
b771acf3d077798247cabe8bd5fb044bb7e94cc1b24f2fa7a150f65e79244456
complete scan: 16,016,797 radius tests; largest single scan 2,886,672
certificate audit: 9,999,979 non-record witnesses;
5,934,335 record radii
direct prefix audit: n <= 2,000;
1,999,000 direct/gap identity checks
trial-division prime prefix: 2,000 primes
independent segmented prime audit: full digest matched
champion local triple: 47973241, 47973257, 47973421;
gap difference = 148
maximum resident set size: 339,020 KiB
RESULT: max_{2<=n<=10000000} M_n = 148, first at n=2886673
5. What remains, precisely